Gearing up etc.

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  1. akkken

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    So, don't take it offensive thats first of all. I'm in Valhalla ally and we do farm every single source of excellent items (goldens, events etc.).

    ANC Source: Varka, Kundun, LoT, CC
    EXC Source: Erohim, Selupan, Kundun, Golden, Varka, Drop, Maya, Balgass

    1. We noticed that amount of goldens is half-cutted - we may be mistaken - however we are farming them every each invasion (we know we are't the only ones who are doing it) but we haven't concluded it just by 1 invasion. Second thing is that drop from them is just terrible. Even the fact u can get a jewel from it is just wrong. Too huge variety of items dropping from bok's - everything can drop from every each of them with bigger or smaller chance belongs on + of the bok - disappointing.
    2. Erohim - that's the only source that is giving us a chance of getting "good" items in meaning lk +1opt (lmao...) even if its so nerfed atm.
    3. Selupan - exc that drops from it is just hilarious as a boss it should drop similar items as Erohim or better (380 with chance on lk +2opt - opt rate just like erohim)
    4. CC / BS - CC is just fine while BS actually not - as a event it could have a bit higher chance (even for low level items) for dropping excellence from mobs and jewels as well.
    5. Kundun - drop seems to be fine.
    6. Varka - i have no idea why it's not dropping items with luck? I would prefer to make the event every hour or every 2 hours to be able for players and redo the drop to make it ATLEAST 380+LK+1opt even if only 1 on 10 items will be useable.
    7. Maya / Balgass drop is as terrible as Selupan...

    It's not about complaining but when it comes to starting conversation with changing servers (it's for whole ally) than it means that something is wrong over here and as im a bit addicted like few others to this community i would prefer to stay and try to figure it out together - as the server is for "us" let's be honest. I do admit the server is type of "try hard" im ok with it as long as it gives fun and prove enjoyment for everyone. It's not a compliment and don't take it offensive as i already pointed - i'm gently asking for considering some changes for boss/event drops to make it more attractive and allow us (everyone on the server) to try to gear up cause if after lets say 2 years the only thing i'll be able to achieve is items 15 lk 1 opt (eventually 1 - 2 items lk +2 opt) is a bit daft. There plenty sources of exc items that's true but the fact that only 1 on 20 is usable and fact that i may need lets say 20 (if ill be lucky enough) of every scrap of gear (that gives hundreds) to make it +15 is just terrifying. There is nothing even to buy from ppl on server and i cannot blame the amount of ppl playing (i would if there would be bigger drop from mobs than i could consider that).

    I hope to have a good conversation with ideas etc. instead of saying NO or flaming over here (However face server fundamental players are valhalla and play 4 fun allies without those 2 i'm sure server will simply go down due lack of players... and i already saw it here - I'm just trying to point it, don't take it to the conversation please).
     
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    ANC Source: You forgot medusa
    EXC Source: Pretty much any non-exping webzen event

    1. Hell no. According to the changelog, they're actually more than double since the new golden invasion (new means golden monsters in maps like dungeon, icarus, kantru, aida, lacleon, etc) is set to every 3 hours instead of once a day. People hunt them more now so thats why but definetly they aren't less, guaranteed.
    You played old seasons, you camed back to mu after a long time and now you're not accustomed with the new stuff.
    Jewels have a smaller drop chance from bok but they are a default drop of boks, always were, most servers use such settings, we use it too since there are lots of goldens and there were less sets available in boks, nothing wrong with that. Since more sets are now available they could indeed be removed.
    People suggested and wanted items like great dragon, darksoul, etc from boks as the max in bok+5 was dark phoenix until not long time ago. Now that they were added, that's not good either?
    There is no way in pleasing everyone and I don't intend in doing that anyway as there will always going to be someone who likes/dislikes something.

    2. Erohim was never ment to be a source where it rains with exec items, by default it has to drop more non-exe than exe if you plan to have an active lorendeep event. Deep event is removed on most servers so it's not even working exactly because you can't please both LOT owners and deep event participants at the same time, understood? If you want an active lorendeep event which was thinked for non-rr servers you have to balance it because erohim will respawn every 1 second so do a simple math and realize what that means in a rr server, otherwise just disabling deepevent as other servers did and keeping erohim as a LOT boss alone is the way to go.

    3. You can't stack 380 items in every boss that you like to hunt, there are already plenty of bosses that provide 380 exe items. Selupan has a default drop of 30% exe items like ashcrow, iris, etc and 70% sockets - it's a sockets items boss, it drops up to 10 items and that cannot be changed. Most server use it's default settings for a reason, we do the same.

    4. BC remains as is, it's an average grinding and exping event with lots of mobs. Other than the reward itself you can't do much changes on it.

    5. Pleasantly surprised (it's the default drop + rf and mg 380 complete items since they are not part of events like imperial for example so they had to be added in various bosses drops)

    6. It's been explained before, find the thread that's been posted in suggestions forum and read it. Hardcoded game setting including the cooldown, you can't add one like BC/DS, etc has every x hours. It sucks when we can't change things the way we want being bound to the game creators settings but a private server is a private server.

    7. Maya hands got default drop, both exe and non-exe items being good as is since hands can be exploited on rr servers.
    Nightmare has 380 and high end exe. Balgass has 380 exe items, how is this not good?

    You must realize that MU doesn't have much to offer in terms of sets. It doesn't have thounds of items like WoW has for example, people will mainly use 3-4 sets max in the entire game so you can't stack all end game gears in all bosses and leave the rest of the items being excluded from the game. Also, you're saying that there are many exec items but only some usable, this is kinda logic when max exec option is 2 right? It's just like having fo items and obviously 2-3 opt would be hell of a lot more often than a 6 opt item as for lack of players over time, this is a situation that happens to every server by time and especially during summer period, nothing new under the sunshine when it comes to muonline so don't be that surprised as all mu servers experience the same and all of them need a refresh after a certain ammount of time. Take a look at the top servers that wipe everything in less than a year and you'll understand. It's how the MU community has been educated over the years and yes, I know it sucks so damn hard as I never liked it myself but thats how it works and if few years ago was pretty ok, it's getting worse and worse as the game gets older and it's being more focused on the afk-ing features.

    I do realize you want to captch up faster with the others since you joined the server less than a week ago and you have a total of 7 resets and most of these are suggestions/complaints/ideas that you've seen inside the alliance chat as I doubt you hunted bigger events than goldens, however keep in mind that not all suggestions are good suggestions and after reading like five times the word 'offensive' in your post make sure you know that some people feel offended when their idea gets rejected and they shouldn't take it personal.


    - In any case, I agree the 2 exe options item ratio should be increased and because of this, there will be a significant improvement over the exec + 2 options drops on the next maintenance and the rate will be decided by the server. I've tested it already and they do drop a lot more often so this will become effective after the next reboot, in a few days. (we'll announce it in changelogs)

    - The boxes of kundun should be fine as they are now. It's the players who wanted items like great dragon, darksoul, etc to be added in bok+5 and now they are. Items like iris, ashcrow can be found in lower boks and selupan only so removing them from one of these two will leave a single option of obtaining such items which isn't recommended. Moving them somewhere else ... all event bags are kinda full so it would only do more harm. As for the jewels inside it, keep in mind boks were completly reconfigured not long ago so with the actual drop configuration, removing them seems a fine idea but before that when there were less sets available to drop it was alright. Waiting for some feedback on this.

    - Kundun will be probably set to respawn every 6 hours starting with next server reboot. I've thinked about this during the last week so I'm opened for some feedback (honest ones not selfish feedbacks)


    PS: It's a public forum so there will always be flame, no server and no game is flame free :)

    PS2: Edited some of the thread aspects and make it look a bit more organized so refresh it in case you people were reading it while I was writing it.
     
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    At the point my char is now and help that is being given to me from my ally im more than just happy if its up to gear and lvlup - so im cool with it, i'm using other char for grinding. Anyways thread i made is a gather of server information + ppl opinions (complains, ideas, and greets). Anyway I do understand that some events etc. may be too hard to go into the code to redo it (i though that it may have some modular codes rather then libraries or some) if it's up to bok's im good that u added those items the thing is that each + bok should have own item variety (say black dragon could drop only from bok+x not from any other etc. - hope u got my point;))

    Well if the 2 opt ratio will be bigger than we should be ok (cause even lk dd zen will be more usefull than lk zen right?).

    Is there a ny chance for any custom event in here? Wish to hear YAAAAAAS so we could get some ideas about it ^^.
     
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    Boks don't have duplicate items inside, each bok shall drop certain items according to their level so per your example, when it comes to boks, black dragon can only be obtained from bok+4 not 1 2 3 or 5.

    Custom events are a feature of the server files that we are using. I doubt more will be added but if they will be in the future, it's up to the coders to decide.
    The only common custom event i've seen in most mu servers is the pvp last stand event and that's about it while the rest of the events we got can only be found in the server files that we use.
     
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    i would like to talk about old erohim times and to share my experience!
    i m sistematically grinding twice per day this event and what can i say that the respawn chance is like 1 time per 4 events and when this chance become realiti the real PVP begins that has no mercy frendship or other emotion :)
    so in concluzion for like 2-3 days getting a 1-1,5 of erohim drop is the biggest luck u can get and by items it gives me like 50-100 b!
    now think this grind gives 50-100 b for aproximatively 5 try wich is 48 hours+- wasnt it ok !?
    especially if u think u can obtain the same lk x2 opt from arena per day 1 item just hunting mobs!
    and btw akken u said u get set in2 years+- with lk +1 opt +15 thats not even far from true(i got 3 items +15 +lk+x2 opt in less then 3 moth and it seems fair as it is ) so i dont see any problem!
     
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    That 2 years statement is obviosuly exagerated but that's what most people do when they suggest a rate increase, however certain drops like from boks and some few other indeed lacked the higher chance of obtaining a +2 exec option items like other bosses have (erohim, medusa, kundun, balgass,etc) as they use a different rate formula which will be changed after the reboot to match a better one that the mentioned bosses use. Also yes, there are plenty of people with +15 items too but nowdays people are playing low/medium servers but want easy grinding at the same time, kinda weird thinking indeed but that's how it and I agree it should be slight easier than is now.
     
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    btw just wanted to ask about selupan !
    is it ok he dont give drop at all ? if yes i observed it quite many times)
    and btw today's morning erohim event has no spawn of the entire final wave :)
    and i would disagree about 6 hours cd Kundun 'couse its a great burst to 1-2 players who will first get the time and vice versa a great disadvantage of loosing it for other!
    i would suggest repartize the upgrades between all events if u considere its not enough )
     
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    Yes, however this is not the right thread for that so lets stick to the subject and send me a pm instead ; erohim should spawn in the last 5 minutes, final wave spawns in last 10 minutes.

    When i thinked on the 6 hours kundun it was because it drops 3 items while medusa/selupan drop up to 10 and those 1-2 players won't be on 24/7 to hunt it everytime obviously but maybe yea, we should leave it as it is now. Let me know how you see things different for the other events like selupan, nightmare, medusa, etc? Doesn't the same thing applies too?
    And no idea what you're trying to say in the last part of your post, please rephrase.
     
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    would like to cast down my ote for giving back 10 minutes time of erohim !
    i suppose we all will expect that in 5 minutes he is respawned u spend like 3 min of searching it through all that horde of monsters at the last wave xD
     
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    I would like to add some things if u let me :
    1. Lord mix drop should be improved , as it is now it drops mostly crappy items, and only if u are lucky +lk+1 opt , i think we got 1 380 exe from ~10 tryes and that one was lk mana. 0 items with 2 opt. And 10 tryes means 10x30 bless + 10x30 soul + 10x30 jogs , its not worthed at all to spend that jwls for seed exe items.
    2. Selupan should be changed all of its drop since noone gives a crap about low tier sokets with 1-2 sokets even if they are with lk / or aschrow type of exe without luck or 2 opt.
     
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    1. There will be a success rate increase for 380 items after the reboot but it may be improved even more when there will be a competition for the castle, as obtaining 380 and high exe items is more than decent considering 2 opt rate will be increased and thats about it when it comes to muonline items, however castle siege has always been a "show off" event so besides the exclusive map, increased rate and tax you can't make the lord mix worh big for the owners like adding one extra option or so for example as it would bring a huge advantage over the others.
    2. There will be some changes here as it's been already mentioned in the previous posts but when it comes for sockets, selupan is the type of boss you have to kill multiple times to get some good stuff and we won't change the game concept while a "crap" low tier socket set with 2 sockets is better than an exe one and the rate of max socketed items is global and can't be set different per individual event.
     
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    Right, it's our fault that any of the other 500 players online can't even make one proper alliance and fight CS with atleast a bit of a strategy instead of running at us 1 by 1... Sorry for that then
     
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    Not entirely but you contributed a lot when the competition got killed based on a decision to ally with the CS opponents, just as @Ezekiel and others said will happen, which is why you have 0 opponents now and strategy is kinda impossible when there is 1 against 10 and you know that. The strange thing is that you're ok with that while in general people see pvp as the fun part of the game. If I were you I would split the alliance and have some fun time in CS pvp just like you said you would if it gets to this and you can always make changes if needed, but that's up to you. Anyway this is an off-topic subject.

    Tomorrow we'll have our maintenance so a lot of stuff will be applied.
     
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