Hello, Can we please have the talisman of chaos assembly in the xshop for a very high price like 3000-4000 ec? The coins exchange system takes forever EDIT: i misplaced the thread, im playing in the x100 server so i actually meant to post this in the x100 suggestion forum
Are you aware what is the purpose of talisman of chaos assembly? It protects your item from dissapearing when it fails in chaos machine mix and once this happens talisman will be gone and the item will get back below +7. No one will every buy it for 4k coins. I'm not sure what you mean by "coins exchange system takes forever".
Yes i was aware, what i didnt know is that the items goes back to +7 i thought it went back to +0, what i mean by takes for ever is that to gather coins can get a long time and im not sure what the chances are but it appears that there is a number of things you can get from the lucky coins exchange(so far i have got jewels, exe items and aa weapons), and the chances to get the TAC seems quite slim. I've been talking to some ppl on server that wouldnt mind having it for 3k ec on xshop since the high price kind of balances for the usefulness it can have. I will GLADLY buy for 3k ec on xshop please add it. The high price would place the TAC on the price range of 3rd level wings so it wouldnt be something easy to get at all. 500-800 is too low imho.
the server was specifically advertised to have absolutely NO ToCA (even before the start) and it's one of the things i've liked since the opening, so if you really really need it so badly to make an item, then the rarity and need for hard grind is absolutely fine.
Mate dont u think that a 3-4k ec price range also imply a rarity and a need for hard grind? Even seen from the point the view of a donator, each TAC would cost 20€(3000 credits = 20€, roughly) EDIT: Think about it this way: I save a lot and buy 2 TAC for 6k ec, and i up something to +11, then i buy another one, i try to up to +12 but it fails, i just lost 9k ec which i could have used to buy 3 wings LVL3, or even many items already +13 or +15. I understand you dont want to turn the server into a sandbox mode noob one like those where they sell everything on npc or web shops ect, trust me i dont want that either.
If we really want to have it (for example I want ). I would suggest to make it only in game getable so, not for ec which can be gotten through donation. I would rather suggest to add it to Blossoms with low % but surely bigger % than 3rd wings and still not so big that we can get 1 per day. But most preferable I would suggest to be possible to get it from few sources but with truly low % (but still possible to get it ). As for me, all the bosses could have (if its able to add it) like 0,5 up to 2% chance to drop it, and very low chances to get it through cherry blossom and dungeon race event, and maybe some more sources like CC/DS/BC, more sources with lower chance will make it best I think because people with maxed characters wont be able to farm it all the time and all people, begginers and those more advanced will have chance to get it. In that way it would also make it good for market.
im agree with ingame farming , but the only source of lucky coin could be not enough since no one still got even 1 and i do believe people farmed bc like hell in 3 -4 windows
Pay to win means you pay, you win. The talisman only saves the items if combination fails. Lets say someone is either rich or crazy and buys 5 talismans(100€!!) he uses them, but at the final combination machine fails, you just lost 100€!! how many times do u think a sane person could do such thing, or take such risk?!
If anything it would be gambling since ther is a chance of success. Moreover people dont go just gambling 20€ every day on a game What if we make it in exchange for 1200 mu points?
Yeah apparently they do, you're just asking for the talisman to be introduced into the shop for that price that's not a very good idea, free talismans from /offtrade chars and gaion runs What about we delete the ToCA from the game completely, not even a lucky coin chance, as it was for the first month-2 of the server? Surely i could pm 3-4 people in-game to be vocal about it here as well.. ..Or we could compromise and have it as it is, possibly with very little tweak to the lucky coin chance.. The server has already turned from semi-hard to quite easy so if we could not push it into "9999 setting on 100x xp" style, that'd be awesome. This game was always about days-weeks long grinding and if someone doesn't have the time - well, bad luck, but if we wanted to see every1 running around with +15 sets we'd have registered on some of those "BoK+FO+lvl4 WINGS IN SHOP !!!JOIN NOW!!!" servers
The same way they wont just add cause i ask them too, they wont just remove it cause u say so. They clearly have their own criteria for game balance. Still not that they completely disregard the players opinions. but anyways, can we have an admin's opinion on the subject please?
@Kr1d, TOCA was available to be obtained with a small chance only inside the lucky coin exchange reward since the very begining, it wasn't added two months later as you claim and yes, it's intended to be a really rare item. @amadeok, we advertised about TOCA being disabed in XShop even before the start because it is considered a p2w item and people like it more this way. If you're fine with paying 3k for a single TOCA which I find really odd, why not getting vip and talismans of luck instead to increase your CM rate? It will be cheaper. So far, as I can see, you seem to be the only one that supports the idea of adding this p2w item.
What about more items with luck. High level items with luck is like 10% against items without luck. This makes also hard to get +15 items. If there is more items with luck then we dont need ToCA. As you said @Gix it will we cheaper with that way and i will not ever spend like 3k coins to an item as ToCA.
Man i have talked to several people on server that did want to have the talisman added some way or another u can go and ask them your self, but it is true i have also encountered people that did not want it at all. Anyways i went and check the sucess rates of items: Normal Items Mix Rate +10 ~ +15 = 60% ~ 50% Excellent Items Mix Rate +10 ~ +15 = 50% ~ 40% Socketed Items Mix Rate +10 ~ +15 = 40% ~ 30% in which category do wings fall? by using ToL and VIP i would get a 80% success chance on a +15 item combination is this correct? Anyways i personally would prefer having a lower chance of success and but not losing the item than having a higher chance but with a small one of losing it, that's why i would pay 3-4k ec for a ToCA. EDIT: If the trouble comes with donators having an advantage, couldnt this problem be solved by making the talisman non tradable and acquirable only by accumulating a big amount of some non tradable item?
Wings fall in the wings category, right above the items mix info. Wings Mix Rate: 100% ~ 40% Dark Horse and Spirit Mix Rate: 60% Normal Items Mix Rate +10 ~ +15 = 60% ~ 50% Excellent Items Mix Rate +10 ~ +15 = 50% ~ 40% Socketed Items Mix Rate +10 ~ +15 = 40% ~ 30% Luck option increases success rates by additional +25% when upgrading items. All mix rates are gmo like meaning original settings as shown inside the chaos machine. A lower mix chance is out of discussion anyway.
Hm.. http://i63.tinypic.com/33o38ch.jpg ------------------------- Also i think he meant in which category do the wings fall while upgrading to +10~15, not the % while making them, which IIRC is the first one (normal items mix rate)
