Rf Damage,Summ Ref

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  1. sali

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    Hi Today i want to ask u for Rf Damage and Summ Ref dont know if someone understadn that but The rf killing all peoples wiht 1 Hit I think here have some balance or what if u will ask me for set i have good set i tryied it anyway this so strong dmg dont know why that happend but maybe u change that or maybe that for that damge he do 1 hit all players like Mobs !!! And Summoner Ref To high if u wanna to make 1 Blance Svr so u need to change thats first i think Many peoples have that problem anyway !!! Plss do somethink for that Thank u!!
     
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  2. Gix

    Gix Innovate, Don't Imitate Founder

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    Resets servers will never have the balance that some of you might think of since the game is made for non-rebirth system and you can't please everyone either so you will see similar posts in absolutely every mu server our there that provides character reset. RF is already nerfed here more than on many other servers but this class has been created with the intention of being the highest dpser. Considering you started this thread after more than three months and I have been saying it before, start providing videos while dueling, pvping, etc so we can get an idea of what we should change. "Balancing" requires lots of testing and value changes and that can only be made on a live server together with live proofs so get any free recording software you like and we can work on this together.
     
  3. Extazy

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    I think RF have to much Dmg and u must test it :)
    Because i have BK with 10 gr and 22 rr +set+L+ref+ddi+13 and i die from 1 hit and if i have all buffs from 2-3 hit and that is not normal
     
  4. Bozkurt

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    i belive its couse of number of ressets. we having 300 resets totaly and like this not easy to balance all classes. lets make it full stats or just 1 reset. becouse some clases need alot to be stronger and some need less. this is my idea. thnx.
     
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  5. Kr1d

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    Just because you can't build it doesn't mean any class is OP, each has it's counters. BK owns Sum super hard in duel, RF owns BK, sum owns RF..
     
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    Summ owns RF because he have to much ref :)
    And i have a good build so dont tell me is normal to die from 1 hit
     
  7. Bozkurt

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    its not only build. rf can full agy and vit so its + for rf sum has ref skill so doesnt need to attack too much on pk and on duel with sleep and debuffs easy to kill all classes. what im trying to say is just 1 way to balance server and its making all stats full. so we will make 300 more resets.
     
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  8. Kr1d

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    Win by ref -> 10:9

    Owning someone -> 10:5 and higher. Rf can't even get to sum if he's not completely braindead, easiest matchup ever.


    Also, i don't think it's normal that some1 runs around with 300k HP but oh wait this isn't GMO.. :))
     
  9. Jukato

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    I tested so many chars on my RF. SM can easy survive like 6-8 hits from me only with SB. Im talking about good SM, not like you have in your guild. When we speak about BK, we tested it too. U just need some buffs from sm and elf, RF has been made for making DMG. What is the point of making RF if not just bruise someone? Trust me u can easy win against RF and make him easy to kill. U just need to think. You want Gix to guide you by the hand on every move you take. Look at DL dmg. Its same as RF. Maybe he cannot kil lyou on 1 hit or 2 but he has so high speed so when i hit 1 time he hits like 4 or 6 times. One tip for you guys. Just make RF and kill us like we killed you. Admin cant just change every class on every word you said. RF cant rise his dmg adnymore on max gloves and stats. You can get better set than this sh**y DP + 1 option.
     
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    @Kr1d, your #5'th post is correct but this is something that some players will never understand when it comes to pvp in online games and I'm not talking about Mu here, your afirmation stands for any game.

    I've whitnessed plenty of in-game duels (all classes won against others and depending on the player skill they were all close duels) and current settings are more than decent for a reset server, atleast way much better than most servers would ever be able to provide. I'm sure you all played other servers too and you should have noticed in all those years by now that a reset server will never be able to have a balanced pvp that all will agree with especially that this term is misinterpreted by many. Usually those who complain are those who want their class to be the best, those who aren't good in pvp and think pvp-ing is only about ctrl+click and no strategy or those who can't be pleased as they fail to understand the 'balance' term or the fact that it's a private server and the game has been originally created for non-reset, not for private servers. It's a known fact that you cannot please everyone, simple as that.

    Anyways, don't turn this thread into a dispute one with countless spam like it usually happens and read my posts, otherwise I'll close the thread if you can't follow common sense. @sali and @Bozkurt , you've been saying you will provide videos as I asked when you messaged me couple weeks ago but this never happend so I'll be waiting for them, spend your time on something more useful such as downloading a free recording software that is super easy to use rather than disputing a never-ending subject in mu. I'm curious to see the game from your own perspective because I know you haven't played for a long time and you've always been a player on this server so you might not be aware on how bad it can really be on other servers.
     
  11. Bozkurt

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    dueling against rf with my dl is no problem. rf has no chance against me. couse of range. as jukato say dl has big dmg and speed. i do duel with forfitter 2 times i kill him but die from ref. sometimes only i die couse of ref. ok maybe i dnt know how to make good build for dl. but what i know is if i make more hp i will have less speed/deff or dmg. nvm.

    btw @Gix im too lazy to make a video :) but maybe for cs i can make 1 video. let me search for good program and i have tempature problems with my laptop. i may not make video while i run mu online. but i will try.
     
  12. Forfiter

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    NiteaL:
    You die coz you have to high dmg and masteries give you many addictional bonus to dmg.
    I totally agree with Kr1d. This game give bonus for one class against other class.
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    Rf has range 4 and he can kill bk with range 2
    Summoner can kill RF becouse have better range and sleep (and ref - so they die both or only rf)
    Summoner lose with bk, coz he can survive her dmg

    This is normal in this game. The biggest RF pros and cons is big dmg, you cant change it. Rf dies many times killled by ref, same like DL.
    Thanks for big dmg, which have DL and RF bk isnt immortal

    Ref isnt fault, just your dmg.
     
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    There is nothing wrong in listening to different theories and test new pvp adjustments especially since these are considered as never-ending changes in mu but the feedback should be provided as I said, by videos, because every player duels in a different way, not everyone has a strong mu knowledge either as I can see and complaining about something then saying you're lazy to provide the details that would help us is just wrong. Also, when an idea is shared in the guild there is no surprise others will side with the cause although most of them don't even have a clue about it, like some guy made a comment about season 4 balance which is so hilarious and shows lack of knowledge because rage fighter was only introduced starting with season 6 and at that time he was twice as overpowered.
     
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  14. Bozkurt

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    so u say its balanced and fair right? am i wrong? there is no point to argue about it anymore. 1 tme i will try to reset my stats and try another build. if still bad then i will only hunt for gem stones jewels and zen. couse i spend alot of time and money to make my account full. if i cant have fun with it then i may change my way to get fun.
     
  15. Kr1d

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    Yes you've got that right, we all have the exact same conditions and it's only up to you how much you can make from it.

    No

    Do whatever makes you happy i guess?
     
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  16. Bozkurt

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    r u lawyer of gix?
     
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    Just we gonna play all rage fighter and we will be happy.. :) Out Bk in Rf.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2016, Original Post Date: May 15, 2016 ---
    Just we gonna play all rage fighter and we will be happy.. :) Out Bk in Rf.
     
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  18. Kr1d

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    No, I'm just someone that likes to participate in a discussion, if you don't want that then don't post on public forum dude.

    All I've said is that you are complaining basically without a reason and we just try to explain why and point you to the right direction. If you think everything is a personal attack on you i've got some bad news.
    You've had 20-30 resets to try out all stat builds before maxing and test it with your guild on different chars, different sets etc. It's not the servers fault that you've gone straight to max RR without properly optimizing your stats..

    //edit: okay whatever man this is pointless..
     
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  19. Bozkurt

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    oh really mu pro? so how u know that i didnt try stats? and can u tell what im complaning about? and if u answer all questions on public forum we may ask you next time. mr mu pro!!!!
     
  20. Forfiter

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    NiteaL:
    1st. thing - you wear crap, no set
    2nd thing - you dont have wings 3rd (for dl is gigantic boost)
    3rd thing - You dont tested your build. i stay 3 week at 10gr without maxed rr and im not sure yet how i will make my bk. I see how fast you make last rr, so you was sure thats your build is awesome.
     
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