Credits for Vote/Ecoins Marketing

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    sarkazmas Senior Member

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    Hello,

    I have just noticed that I'm getting twice less credits per vote. Xtreme used to be 20 and the second one 10. Now they're cut by half. I have lost interest in voting... Can we get it back to where it was from the beginning? And fix the last 3 votes timers, they can only be voted once per 24 hours :) Please explain if possible, what was the point of reducing credits per vote? Upsetting players? or budget is not as good as expected? The server was pay 2 win from the beginning and now that the vote rewards have been lowered it its even more pay 2 win(THE lucky sets??).. I mean if you want to lower rewards, don't do it after players invest weeks of time in the server, do it from the beginning without letting players taste. The server feels like fishing now, (how do you catch fishes? by baiting) where players are fish - not the ones to be cooked but to be kept in aquarium.

    How is ecoin usage in market worse than webshop? Here I explain, the items sold in game for ecoins are much more expensive than they would be in webshop probably or if there was a webshop the market would be much cheaper than it is right now. How does market for ecoin differ from webshop? Basically it doesn't. In game, market ecoin - Player buys credits, money goes to Admin, ecoins go to other players who sell stuff in market (which puts seller far ahead because xshop offers lots of p2w stuff). Webshop ecoin - Player buys credits, money goes to Admin, ecoins disappear in webshop where stuff is sold. Now looking at it from my perspective, it's like eating pancakes (maybe ingredients differ a bit), except one is cooked by mother and the other one by grandma.

    How to solve the problem? Set marketing in game for MU Points! Or bring back vote credits as they used to be since start and perhaps add even more votes because it's the only way to obtain ecoins without donating or hunting (where there isnt enough options to hunt).
     
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    You get the same ammount of credits but instead of 2 vote links there are 5 now so how is that less credits? All vote timers are set to 12 hours, vote and you will see it yourself. We ran a vote bonus promo +50% for a week (why you don't complain about obtaining more credits too?) and now we split the rewards in order to track down and analyze traffic so we can decide what topsites it's worth keeping. In a few days we shall only keep 3 of the 5 topsites but the ammount of credits that you get rewarded it's still the same. You had 30 credits / 12 hours and now you still get 30 credits / 12 hours, you do the math or it's because you can't abuse it as much as before?

    You cannot set ingame marketing for MUPoints, the game doesn't allow it, just for eCoins (aka wcoins) and jewels. All servers operate the same way when it comes to market so you can sell your own items for ecoins while in a webshop you cannot sell them for any currency.
     
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    3 new votes that were added only issue credits once in 24 hours, I haven't been able to get it more than once in 24 hours. And the fact even if it was working as intended, this means more time is required for players to complete the voting, means more effort, but same credit amount. The balance changes.

    When we talk about all servers operating the same way, please keep in mind that most of them offer more options how to obtain eCoins and they have more features. By the way in this case mu points section is useless, its mostly to piss us off :D better give eCoins instead of MU Points :) Because MU Points don't offer anything that isn't in eCoins section and it would be already another option on how to obtain eCoins without purchasing. I know it can be hard decision, because it one hand it would affect budget negatively but in the other hand it might as well increase that budget in time because players would see that the server can be flexible. More options - more reasons for players to be wanting to die to play the server.
     
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    middle link let u vote every 24 hours, not 12
     
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    the 3rd one has 24hrs voting time. the 4th has between 12-24 same as 5th
     
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    Show me a print screen with the 3 vote banners you're talking about (it's only gtop100 that is back to 24 hours voting for no reason or announcement)

    On our side it's every 12 hours and always been like that, you should have mentioned this happens at the topsite side
    http://www.gtop100.com/news
    http://image.prntscr.com/image/b0b5dd6e30f247d5b524bd4a0bd273df.png

    If Gtop100 changed it's voting policy back to 24 hours without any announcement then don't blame us for that, it's their site not ours. Now that it's been reported, kinda of, it's going to be removed.
     
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    Please, simply try to vote (all 5 votes) for server every 12 hours and check if it issues credits. Do it like a normal player does, create new account, vote all 5, I am sure these will issue credits because it's first voting in 24 hours, then after 12 hours try and do same again and then Sir, you will see what is wrong.

    XTREMETOP100 - working fine.
    TOP200SERVERS - working fine.
    GTOP100 - can only vote every 24 hours.
    the rest will tell after I vote tomorrow because I am not sure when was the last exact time i vote for them :)
     
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    Only gtop changed back from 24 hours to 12 without any announcement, we as admins obviously voted with a normal account as a normal player when vote banners have been added but we don't vote from a web account every single day to see if the topsite has changed anything or not (we use a postback automatic check), it's the player who should report if something is wrong as you are the one performing daily votes and this is the purpose of having a forum. I still cannot see anything wrong with Top100Arena and TopG, the timer after voting it's still being displayed for 12 hours on their end.

    If you are not being rewarded from other websites then it's either you voted incorrectly or there is a temporary issue on the topsite end which has nothing to do with us, we don't own the voting topsites and we are not responsable if one of them changes things suddently, it's down or their postback verification method is not working at the moment, period.
     
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    So let's say there is something wrong with those sites when they don't issue credits, meaning we don't get same 45 credits every 12 hours and for which we already put effort to get those credits :) It would require much less effort if we didn't have to wait at least 1 minute after each vote, perhaps that could be reduced? I personally find it exhausting to wait 60+ seconds after each vote and if I don't wait and start doing something else I usually end up forgetting to finish the votes.
     
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    That's not up to us, it's up to the webdeveloper and the topsite to decide the postback verification timer and I doubt they will change it because it's always been like this. If you find it so difficult to wait 60 seconds for voting then be patient for another day or two when we will keep only 3 of the topsites

    Here is a changelog of your votes for the last 2 days http://prntscr.com/bf2kzp
    By the looks if it there is no issue with top100arena or topg as you claimed to be, it's only gtop who indeed is accepting only 24 hours votes again and will be removed.
     
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    Well it's only the last 2 days and when the difference between votes is larger than 12 hours. I meant that the problem was when I tried to vote right after 12 hours of the last vote voted :) Perhaps it was just a coincidence. However GTOP could only be voted once every 24 hours since the first day added to the vote list :) Anyway this wasn't just about just about that but it turned to be the very main reason. I mentioned in post many more which should be at least considered :) There seems to be an issue every time the admin (in any server) sees danger which might affect budget (in this case scenario you covered that by mentioning my arrogant attitude :( and actual suggestions covered by my previous server wannabe look-a-like. But isn't every suggestion the same? To make the server the way you would like it to be?)
     
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    Please avoid quoting the entire last post of a thread, reply only.

    You should have reported it when it was added as a bonus link then, you are notified that you can vote every 12 hours at the bottom of the vote banners so if anything is wrong or different then the logical way is to let us know by reporting so we can take care of it.

    Now, you haven't mentioned many "more" as you say (no need to exagerate), you suggested just one thing related to changing ecoins into mupoints for the ingame market while the other thing (voting related) should have been a report and you did received an answer for both of them but looks like you won't take no for an answer.
    My answer was: `We cannot set ingame marketing for MUPoints, the game doesn't allow it, it works only for eCoins (aka wcoins) and jewels`, what part is not clear here? The omniscient attitude exists because you runned your own mu server in the past and everyone in a similar position thinks he is better than the guy standing next to him and wants to apply his own old server ideas, just like you do it now, probably unintentionally but his is a common thing in this case and even if you failed on maintaining it you should still know some features are bounded to the game and server files are different. Absolutely every server out there has atleast an available ingame xshop as a donation method and some even more because you won't see anyone spending from his own pocked to sustain such big maintain costs and the ingame market can work with wcoins and jewels only, we won't be the only server ever to change that (it's not even a possible as server side settings don't allow it anyway but just saying). Suggestions are always welcomed but they aren't mandatory and we are not obliged to apply all of them in order to replicate another server you liked or your old server and you should know by now that only a very few are good suggestions and that people feel offended when theirs get rejected because you won't ever be able to please everyone. Remember that couple years ago you couldn't even trade items for wcoins in this game, the fact that you are now able to do that it gives you a lot more opportunities to earn them without any donation and without spending a dime just as you want by selling the items you find, but you can only do that with wcoins and not mupoints which is why absolutely all servers out there use wcoins for offtrade and not a different currency in case you wondered.

    It's always been 30 credits / 12 hours since the start (20c xtremetop and 10c top200) The 45 credits every 12 hours was a 7 days period of +50% vote credits bonus that we usually run when a new calendar month starts, you even had a big notice there mentioning it together with launcher news http://prntscr.com/bf2nlg
     
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    Well yes I suppose, I made it 45, but actually meant 30, which we don't get with that GTOP :p
     
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    This means you were getting 25 credits instead of 30 but not half as you claimed in your first post.

    Now that we know, GTop has been removed and Top200 has been assigned more credits. For the future, please report things right away and with clear specifications because topsites are not our business and as you can see they don't make changelog announcements either.

    Thank you
     
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