Things I would adore

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  1. Terrafrit

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    Don't take this thread too seriously, I just wanted other peoples opinions.

    1. RF nerf:
    There is a reason why most of the server are RF. They outclass every other class in every aspect, "all characters balanced, including RF".

    2. Socket sphere level 5:
    This wasn't in the stats page, I based my build around this. To be honest, this could be the solution to problem 1. RF do not have a socket set.

    3. Keeping up the good work, server is still here after so long:
    Congrats, keep it up.
     
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    I agree with Terra , if this would give other chars a chance against rage fighter i'm for it.

    It's your call Gix !
     
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    RF is overpowered, but only in direct combat. He's just so easy to play and farm. A good summoner 1 v 1 can take a good RF down. A great BK it's 50/50 vs a decent RF.

    RF only has quite small range, albeit bigger than BK. When RF gets close it's very hard to do anything, because the burst damage usually takes you down with 2-3 skill hits. If the viewing angle was bigger it would be easier to play against RF. But it is not, so RF is OP.


    PS.did you google translate the title? Things I would adore? :D
     
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    This is not a suggestion thread, just a few idea's, really. No I didn't translate ^^. Adore means "Love".

    Either the damage multiplier or the overall ability of the RF are insanely high compared to other classes. Defense means nothing late game, and they have 4k HP to back that up.
    Also take note of the second though, socket sets are a worse version of exc sets if only at level 3.
     
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    rf's will get balanced when webzen needs a new character to make OP and sell :p

    lvl5 seeds would be ridiculous i think. 5 sockets with lvl 5 seeds(equivalent to full option on a low server).......

    i think the best suggestion would be more noob "spots" for starters nothing crazy just add 1-2 more mobs or spots per pre-100lvl map so noobs can get up to party'ing levels a little faster or maybe just dungeon get a boost in general. although it wouldn't be gmo-mirror it may be something to think about as we are a small community and the faster they can bridge the gap to acceptable pt levels for lt7 and up it will only helps the noobs unless we have a problem with lucky coin farmers taking spots from them which is what would most likely happen so this whole idea is pointless :D

    also 1 connection from each ip...
     
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    I understand where you are going with with the Ip Limit Hopium( I hate when i see players farming LT7 with a bunch of accounts and the low level players cant do anything about it. Also it would stop people from playing with multiple accounts in CS.)The only problem is that sometimes multiple players log in from the same IP. Maybe disable multiboxing instead? I think another good idea would be to eliminate shop items from CS like the Guardian Angel. It really just makes RF invincible against all other classes because of the huge hp. And is it just me or does it seem like the angel absorbs more than what it says it does? I havent tested this though. About the lvl 5 seeds, i think it would be too much with 5 sockets. Some nice ideas already. I really enjoy this server and i think it would greatly improve the experience for players if we can find a way to close the gap between RFs and the other classes.:))
     
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    This is not webzen though, and can be configured to how you like.

    Well right now it's like having a slightly worse version of a exc set. You can get a near full option set from moss anyway. I have yet to see a 5 socket item, 4 has been max. 4 sockets with level 4/5 sphere is not bad at all.[/QUOTE]

    I think more spots would not increase player satisfaction, only create havoc like you said. What's wrong with multi client? Some people also have brothers who play. Do you mean one client per host?
     
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    Tried that today, before angel I got hit 311 from Burning Lava Giants in vulcanus, with the angel on i got hit 80. Not quite 30% I think.
     
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    the only way i could see them doing it without hurting people who log from same ip is to use mac addresses to limit multiboxing but its not hard to spoof your mac address so maybe HID's i dunno. itll stop the campers from using thier dl's to summon there phono character everywhere. and make people that actually play ee's more valuable.
     
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    Yeah, I think angel should be removed from shop, I tested a while back and got around 60% absorb.

    Sphere level 5 would solve the problem of overpowered RF. (They don't have a socket set). Also gives a reason to go hunt the damn sets.
     
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    I agree with whatever will bring players to the server ! :). As a ragefighter you are good in pvm and pvp. No other character stand a chance , so from my behalf it would be great to see old school players :D !
     
  12. Gix

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    Not the main reason at all. Most people play RF since it's a new char.
    Go back in time when Summoner was added. Everyone played that character


    this ^



    Not quite right. You are playing MU right? You are playing the game that was created by WebZen right? Dev teams just emulate this game.
    We are not here to change the game you are actually playing otherwise there is no point in playing anymore.

    We already reduced the RF damage a bit, but thats how it works. RF has the biggest damage and the lowest defence and while some things can be changed, others cannot since they are hardcoded by webzen and obviously you would need to write this game from scratch. Doing that would mean it won't be called MU anymore.


    While i do agree with you here i doubt this would make a difference and the worst part would be that exec, ancient, lucky sets would become pure junk.


    Also Hopium is also right here ^

    Remember that there is a good reason why webzen did not added sphere level 5 inside the game.

    In the next coming update hopefully we will please you with the RF idea and we won't dissapoint the actual RF players either. The key here would be darkside AoE wich always had an issue on emulators.

    We could also tweak the damage a bit more and see how it goes, but remember that RF is the same as DL scenario back in 1.02.
    Before RF was released, DL had the biggest damage and lowest defence BUT unlike DL, RF has no absorb damage as DL has with it's horse so obviously Webzen had to compensate that and added more damage. I would bet this was their thinking after all.


    It's not just me doing this but all of us so we all deserve it. Thank you for that
     
  13. Hopium

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    what do you think about goblin points terra? i miss em kinda its good reward for people whom play alot and its nothing more thans some jewels and i think a fenrir if you save for 2 years lol
     
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    Ingame Goblin Points per online time won't be possible, but i wanted to open a thread on this subject anyway which will be the same as GP, but you'll get them on website and trade them for ingame stuff. Wait for me me to open that thread first.
     
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    Not everyone, everyone tried the summoner at least, but hardly anyone stayed a summoner because the BK was slightly better but not unbeatable. People stay RF because they are the clear best.




    Actually, you hate it when people compare your server to global, yet you are comparing it to Webzen now yourself. Private servers gave you the chance to change things, and I know, as I have had the pleasure of owning a server before, that you can easily change characters stats. In my eyes, it makes no sense to actually keep a overpowered character rather than changing it.

    As I said, defense means nothing late game. They also have 4k HP. Sure, other things cannot be changed, but the formula for their stats can.

    That's the point. Socket sets are the hardest to make. You even need to destroy ancient set parts to create seeds for it. Why shouldn't it make them sets look like trash? That's like saying a exc set makes a regular set look like trash. Of course it does, it's a higher and harder to obtain set.

    Once again, this is not webzen. Even level 4 sphere would be an upgrade. Right now sphere sets are worthless, and as I said, it would close the gap between RF and other classes, even if it is alot more hard work (which I like).

    If you are adding darkside to be fixed, this boosts them even more.

    RF do have absorb in their second cape, and unlike RF, DL don't have 4k HP, that's why DL has alot of damage. RF cape has 10% less absorb, but I would swap 10% absorb for an exra 3k HP anytime. DL could be killed easily, were as RF cannot.

    Well thanks for everyone who were involved.

    PS: Hopium, I loved the Goblin points, something similar would be awesome!
     
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    Rfs cant kill box +5 so easy too, rf lvl 350 can kill easy Golden iron Knight , other class lvl 400 cant do it.
     
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    That's what I mean. They dominate both PvM and PvP.
     
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    It's harder to kill Iron Knight vs Great Golden Dragon. 350 rf without set can't kill iron knight easy, probably will die without a decent ancient or exc+dd set.
    Also I'm pretty sure lvl 400 BK can take an Iron Knight down too.

    Also did a duel against a summoner today, was pretty one sided (2 - 10) (350 rf vs 400 summoner) would have been same vs a 400 rf. Can't really say RFs op PvP. If RFs OP then summoners also OP.

    And there's the stun that the BKs have. Procs a lot and is also OP.

    Seems like a lot of things are OP, but the problem could be that MGs, GM/SMs are underpowered. Both are great farmers, but absolutely useless PvP or CS.

    I do agree with Gix on the part that everyone is playing RFs because it's the new hero, but also because it's so strong early on. At level 330 you're as good a farmer as an BK is at level 400. PvP you can probably kill the bk too. But the higher the levels get the smaller the gap gets. Rebellt can kill any RF he comes across.

    Think if all the RFs were swapped for Summoners in CS, everyone would be sleeping and then dying. Sounds OP to me. RF is countered easily by summoner, but there aren't enough summoners to counter the huge number of RFs.
     
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    They can with difficulty, not impossible though unlike others.

    That's if after you have been hitting the mob for a long time, and a RF come and kills it in seconds.

    That is 1v1, CS it is totally different. Summoners lose to other classes, also, that RF must of been terrible, because I vs my friend RF (ML 80+) and it's pretty even, he usually wins around 10-8.

    What stun? You mean ex700 stun?

    Sorry, but he still dies vs RF.

    There should be a cooldown time for sleep, problem solved.
     
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    I kill Great Golden Dragon and Golden Iron Knight at lvl 350 whit exc SJ set +7 +random opts , u dont need great def only need high hp.
     
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